Furudo Erika (
thinkoutsidethebox) wrote2013-02-26 09:04 pm
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Memory 32 (trivial positive)
First twilight argument with Battler. [EP6] Form of an orange. One use (eat it all).
IN THE META WORLD, Dlanor, Cornelia and Gertrude report to Erika, and then they go to talk to Game Master Battler.
- She actually already knows the victims were just faking because she has gone through and re-murdered them by the point of this memory. So she's basically just messing with Battler and making him think he has the advantage.
- Logic arguments are still fun in general though.
IN THE META WORLD, Dlanor, Cornelia and Gertrude report to Erika, and then they go to talk to Game Master Battler.
"We have checked all of the scenes and finished gathering INFORMATION. Here is our REPORT."Notes:
"Go ahead."
"First, all of the rooms form closed rooms with the window locks and chain locks, so that 'interference from the outside would be DIFFICULT'. The only exception is the parlor, where Rosa and Maria lay DEAD."
"Please, allow me to speak. Let it be known that the door was barred with a hat stand."
"It is thought to be substantially the same as a chain lock, in that it can only be set from the inside."
"It is probably their goal to construct closed rooms where explanations using master keys are made completely INEFFECTIVE. The parlor has no chain lock due to its very nature, so it is natural that something else would be used in the chain's PLACE."
"......In that case, the interesting question becomes why one of the other rooms that have chain locks wasn't chosen to be a closed room. There were several other guest rooms other than the one Battler lay dead in, all with a similar construction, correct?"
"Yes, that is CORRECT."
"In that case, even though it should have been more beautiful to throw them in there, so that everyone would be inside a chain lock closed room, they did not. ......This hat stand door bar in the parlor seems very suspicious. I should probably pursue this when demanding red truths. Also, we have corpses, ......but are they the same absolute deaths with their necks sliced open like in the last game, which could be confirmed even without the detective's authority?"
Of course, she had checked all of the corpses in all of the crime scenes this time.
......However, without the detective's authority, she had no guarantee that she would be able to see through any faked deaths 'with certainty'...
The old Battler had also started fighting by doubting whether the victims were truly dead.
It was the same for Erika......
"Please, allow me to speak. Know that there were no corpses that could have been confirmed dead with certainty by physical means."
"Please, allow me to speak. We cannot deny the possibility that any one of these corpses might be a faked death."
"......Well, I doubt Battler will easily confirm their deaths in red even if I tell him to. ......Sheesh......"
[...]
"It seems you've crawled all over the crime scenes. ......Satisfied? Is your inspection complete?"
"Yes, I'm satisfied. So, about our war of red and blue. Shall we start right away? Or do it all at the end?"
"I don't like putting things off. I think the same goes for you."
"Then let's get started with the closed rooms of the first twilight. ......First, I'd like to check. Do you intend to respond if I ask you to repeat something in red?"
"Depending on what you say, yes. I have no obligation to respond to all, and I won't reveal my reasons when I refuse."
"<Good>. ......Then let's start simple and confirm the definition of a closed room. Dlanor! Please read it aloud."
"UNDERSTOOD. ......We demand that the following be REPEATED."
Dlanor spread out one of those scrolls that some official would always spread out when announcing the king in western fairy tales, and read it aloud.
"First. 'The rooms with the six people in them are all closed ROOMS'."
"Acknowledged. Of course, that's only until Gohda and the others severed the chains and destroyed the closed rooms."
At a nod from Dlanor, Cornelia, who stood behind her, started taking notes.
"Second. 'The definition of closed room implies that it is impossible to construct from the OUTSIDE'."
"Acknowledged."
"......In other words, no trickery done from the outside can construct a closed room. It is not permitted for a chain lock to be reset from the outside by a skillfully used wire, for example."
"I didn't need you to tell me that. Dlanor, please continue."
"Third. 'The definition of a closed room implies that all forms of interference that pass between the inside and outside of the room are PREVENTED'."
"Acknowledged. However, I won't deny the kinds of interference that you'd expect from a normal room, such as knocks, voices, and the extension telephone line."
"Fourth. 'At the time of the deconstruction of the closed rooms, none existed within the rooms except the VICTIMS (Natsuhi, Eva, Kyrie, Rosa, Maria, Battler)'."
"Acknowledged."
In this way, they could check whether or not the culprit had been hiding inside a closed room.
If the culprit had slipped out of the room after the discoverers had noticed the murders and then walked away, it would have been possible to construct an illusion of a closed room.
Because Battler had acknowledged their statement with the red truth, the possibility that the culprit and the victim had both been inside the closed room at the time of the crime, that the culprit had hid under the bed and snuck out after the discovery of the crime......had been denied.
"Fifth. 'No murder was committed after the deconstruction of the closed ROOMS'."
"I refuse."
"......Why? Because the victims really were alive after the closed rooms were destroyed? So, Krauss and the others who crowded in were the culprits and committed the murders then. In other words, it was a murder after the closed rooms. Is it because this is the truth...?!"
"No, that's not true. The murders will continue to occur, so we cannot say in red that no murders will happen after this."
"......Sheesh, what twisted logic. You probably see what we're getting at. Krauss's group cut the chain and destroyed the closed rooms, then killed the people inside. I just want you to argue against this."
"Lady Erika, ......it is insufficient to refer to 'Krauss's group', an unspecified number of PEOPLE. You should first check to see which humans entered the room after the closed room was DECONSTRUCTED."
"Allow me to speak. ......Excepting the victims, those who entered the closed rooms were Krauss, Rudolf, Hideyoshi, and Gohda."
"Allow me to speak. This is based on hearsay. There is no proof that others did not enter."
"I know that already. Let's have you repeat that. ......'After the deconstruction of the closed rooms, then excluding me, only Krauss, Rudolf, Hideyoshi, and Gohda entered the rooms'."
"Sure. Acknowledged. However, this only applies to the current point in time. It's possible that some later development in the game will cause more people to enter."
"Repeat it. 'Krauss, Rudolf, Hideyoshi, and Gohda are not culprits'."
".................."
Battler put his finger on his chin, deep in thought.
This word 'culprit' was fairly broad. And it might serve to greatly restrict the darkness of the witch.
".........Why not answer? If we refuse, they'll leave behind a blue truth saying that Krauss and the others were the culprits."
"..................Sure. ......I'll acknowledge it, but I'll make the language more strict. Krauss, Rudolf, Hideyoshi, and Gohda...were not involved in the murders of Natsuhi, Eva, Kyrie, Rosa, Maria, and Battler."
"And that means, 'it was also impossible for any of the other humans, who didn't even enter the closed room, to have been involved in those murders', doesn't it?"
"Who knows. Think about it yourself. If you think you can build up some blue truth for how a closed room murder can be committed without entering the room, then I'll respond with the red truth. ......However, I only need to destroy one of the blue truths you'll be presenting from here on out. In other words, even if you do manage to use the blue truth and explain this away with some long-distance closed room murder trick X, I don't necessarily have to counter that with the red truth."
These are the rules of the witch's game.
Ange checked these details with Beato in the fourth game.
The witch side lays out riddle after riddle that it claims are impossible to carry out except by magic.
The human side must use the blue truth to argue that they are explainable with tricks.
And if they cannot make a counterargument with the blue truth for even one of the riddles, that riddle will be considered to have been 'done by magic', and it will be impossible to deny the existence of a witch...
In other words, the witch side only needs to protect any one of its riddles.
On the contrary, the human side has to fully explain all riddles with the blue truth.
And even if the human side manages to explain all of the riddles with the blue truth, if any one of those is successfully countered by the red truth, the witch will win.
That was why, like the strategy the old Beato had adopted at the end, it was sufficient for the witch side to put off their red text counterarguments until the very last moment, then make a single strike at their opponent's most fragile spot......
"In any event, ......you've refused to repeat that last one, right?"
"Don't kid yourself. I don't give out red for free."
"......Ggh......"
From the witch side's perspective, repeating statements made by the human side is just a supplement to make sure that they haven't misunderstood the question.
Therefore, they had no obligation to respond to extremely broad demands...
"......Not bad. ...Looks like you can handle being a player on the witch side pretty well too."
"Your experience is no match for mine."
"Tch...! Dlanor!"
"Let us CONTINUE. Next, 'the victims did not die by any method other than HOMICIDE'."
"Acknowledged."
"Of course, there were no suicides or accidental deaths."
"Seventh, 'the victims-"
"That's enough, Dlanor."
"......Are you SURE? There are still items..."
"Yes, that will do fine. I've confirmed the status of the crime scene. From here on, it's time for me to argue back with the blue truth."
"Sure, fine. Let me hear your masterful theories."
Though Battler and Erika were enemies, ......it looked to Beato as though they were having a little fun doing it.
......She was probably slightly jealous of Erika.
- She actually already knows the victims were just faking because she has gone through and re-murdered them by the point of this memory. So she's basically just messing with Battler and making him think he has the advantage.
- Logic arguments are still fun in general though.
